The Party of "NO" at least had "GUTS"!

A lot of times women will give a worthless man a second chance especially if he begs hard enough.

No political party ever lied, pleaded, begged or promised as much or more than the Republicans did from 2008 to 2010.

Already after just barely a couple of months after she had given him the opportunity, the woman has found out that despite all of the mans promises he is still the exact same worthless piece of @!$%# that she knew he was.

By 2012 she plans to divorce him and move on.

Nancy and the 110th congress failed big time.

So typical of the ignorance of the Blight Wing.

The 112th is currently in session.

Care to guess what comes after 110 and before 112 Bubba?

By the way, here's a list of what the 111th accomplished.

ECONOMIC RECOVERY AND CREATING JOBS

American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, enacted in the first month of President Obama’s term, to jumpstart our economy, create and save 3.5 million jobs, give 98% of American workers a tax cut, and begin to rebuild America’s road, rail, and water infrastructure, with unprecedented accountability. (Signed into Law)

SMALL BUSINESS JOBS ACT, landmark legislation providing 8 more small business tax cuts on top of the 8 already enacted by this Congress; creating up to 500,000 jobs, by leveraging up to $300 billion in private sector lending for small businesses through a lending fund for community banks; fully paid for. (Signed into Law)

TEACHER JOBS/STATE AID/CLOSING TAX LOOPHOLES, creating and saving about 319,000 jobs – saving 161,000 teacher jobs and providing state aid that will create and save another 158,000 jobs; fully paid for by closing loopholes that encourage companies to ship American jobs overseas. (Signed into Law)

Student AID & Fiscal Responsibility Act, making the largest investment in college aid in history – increasing Pell Grants, making college loans more affordable, and strengthening community colleges – while reducing the federal deficit by ending wasteful student loan subsidies to banks. (Signed into Law)

HIRE ACT, creating 300,000 jobs with tax incentives for businesses hiring unemployed Americans and to spur small business investment, and unleashing investments to rebuild infrastructure. (Signed into Law)

CASH FOR CLUNKERS, jump-starting the U.S. auto industry, with consumer incentives for trading in an old vehicle for one with higher fuel efficiency—spurring the sale of 700,000 vehicles. (Signed into Law)

AFFORDABLE QUALITY HEALTH CARE

HEALTH INSURANCE REFORM, landmark legislation prohibiting insurance companies from discriminating against Americans with pre-existing conditions and dropping coverage when you get sick and need it most; making coverage affordable for families and small businesses; strengthening Medicare; creating up to 4 million jobs; reducing the deficit; and extending coverage to 32 million more Americans. (Signed into Law)

CHILD NUTRITION, to fight both childhood obesity and childhood hunger; improving the nutritional quality of school lunches and expanding access for needy children to nutrition programs. (Signed into Law)

Health Care for 11 Million Children, providing cost-effective health coverage for 4 million more children and preserving coverage for 7 million children already enrolled. (Signed into Law)

FDA REGULATION OF TOBACCO, manufacturing and marketing, especially to children. (Signed into Law)

CLEAN ENERGY JOBS/HOLDING BP ACCOUNTABLE

AMERICAN CLEAN ENERGY & SECURITY ACT, historic legislation to create millions of American jobs; reduce U.S. dependence on foreign oil; cut carbon pollution; keep costs low for Americans. (Passed by House)

RESPONSE TO BP OIL SPILL, eliminates $75 million cap on liability of oil companies; restores Gulf Coast and protects local residents; toughens oversight and safety requirements on offshore drilling. (Passed by House)

FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY & GOVERNMENT REFORM

Budget Blueprint, creating jobs with investments in health care, clean energy and education; cutting taxes for most Americans by $1.5 trillion; cutting Bush deficit by more than half by 2013. (Action Completed)

Statutory Pay-As-You-Go, restoring 1990s law that turned record deficits into surpluses. (Signed into Law)

WEAPONS ACQUISITION reform, cracking down on Pentagon waste and cost overruns. (Signed into Law)

DISCLOSE ACT, to fight a corporate takeover of our elections, requires them to disclose they are behind political ads; bans foreign-controlled corporations from putting money in U.S. elections. (Passed by House)

PROTECTING CONSUMERS

Wall Street Reform, historic reforms to end taxpayer-funded bailouts and the idea of ‘too big to fail’, and empower consumers to make best decisions on homes, credit cards, and financial future. (Signed into Law)

Food Safety, an overhaul of food safety system in wake of tainted food scandals, putting a new focus on prevention of food contamination and accelerating the response to outbreaks. (On Way to President’s Desk)

Credit cardholders’ bill of rights, banning unfair rate hikes, abusive fees/ penalties. (Signed into Law)

Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay, restoring rights of women and others to challenge unfair pay. (Signed into Law)

NATIONAL SECURITY, TROOPS, AND VETERANS

Veterans Health Care Budget Reform & Transparency Act, ensuring reliable and timely veterans health care funding by authorizing Congress to approve VA medical care a year in advance. (Signed into Law)

FY 2010 DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION, authorizing 3.4% troop pay raise, strengthening military readiness and military families’ support, focusing our strategy in Afghanistan and redeployment from Iraq. (Signed into Law)

REPEAL OF DON’T ASK, DON’T TELL, to provide for the repeal of this outdated policy, contingent on the certification that military review completed and repeal will not impact readiness. (Signed into Law)

Caregivers & Veterans Omnibus Health Services, landmark legislation providing help to caregivers of disabled, ill or injured veterans, and improving VA health care services for women veterans. (Signed into Law)

All this in less than two years in spite of a record shattering number of filibusters from the Party of NO!!

Blight:

A disease that causes lesions, illness and at time ultimately death.

That's the definition and it was used in it's proper context to make a valid point regarding the right wing .

what I want to know is where did he copy that list from.

If Nancy and the congress accomplished so much why did these liberal states put the party of no in power?

BTW, for such an impressive list of "accomplishments" (cough, cough), why is it that the two stooges run Congress had the lowest rating of all time, ever, eh?? And why is it that we had the most significant swing of the pendulum in the last 70 years in Congress?

Can I guess the answer?

SH, Bush..., really??

Care to guess what comes after 110 and before 112 Bubba?

I was referring to the same congress this lady is referring to. 110th right? The 111th was just as bad or worse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0CUcnRPSeg

jcw2blue, I looked at your list and, SERIOUSLY??? Half of those things are things I never wanted in the first place, talk about shoving something down people's throats! Yeah, that's what happened with Health Care, even with a super majority the Dems couldn't come up with anything better than THAT POS legislation. The so-called Stimulus Act and Cash for Clunkers are considered FAILURES, and the jury is still out on whether Dodd-Frank will have ANY effect at all. Cap & Tax legislation is dead in the water, why did you even include that? JEEZ, you guys are desperate.

jcw2blue, I looked at your list and, SERIOUSLY???

I had the same thought...

Everyone does realize that Governor Walker is doing just exactly what he promised to do when elected?

But...but....but...I didn't think when he said "budget cuts" that he meant ME!

Collective bargaining rights, if allowed to remain...will put the state right back where they are at right now...flat broke and busted. People need to earn money and get promotion and get benefits on their own merits...collective bargaining just keeps the bad teachers in their jobs and getting paid as much as the good ones...and that's flat out WRONG.

JWC2Blue 2.4

Spectacular post and assessment. It is utterly amazing how much the Obama administration accomplished despite the constant sabatoge by the Repubs, It makes one wonder how much could be done to renew and strengthen our country on every front if there were no constant sabatoge by the Repubs. Come 2012, we can find out.

mereliz,

"Everyone does realize that Governor Walker is doing just exactly what he promised to do when elected?"

Yep, he is he's busting unions. It's just that that is what he promised the Koch's. He promised something entirely different to the voters.

He's keeping the promise that is important to him.

BTW Governor Scott Walker admitted to this during a bout of braggadocio while thinking he was on the phone with Koch. The fact that he was on the phone with a liberal reporter has kind of thrown a wrench in the works.

jcw2blue, I looked at your list and, SERIOUSLY??? Half of those things are things I never wanted in the first place, talk about shoving something down people's throats!

To T and vol,

Who the Hell made either one of you Grand Pooba of the United States?

Every one of these was passed by a democratically elected representative of the U.S.A.

We live in a democracy where the majority rules, and you two aren't in it. To borrow a phrase from Gregg, Tuff!!!

If it bothers you that much, maybe you should move to Somalia.

Hell, I'll help you pack.

talk about shoving something down people's throats!

After you've had W. shoved down YOUR throat you'll have a right to complain.

Until then?

Amateur.

Lets try to keep things in perspective, and as simple as possible, so here it is in the vernacular: With a few exceptions, Republicans are correct, and know more about how to put proper polices in place than do "The Others", as proved by their finding ways to save several million dollars in Federal spending since they have been in office. Republicans know more about, and care more about what the people want, and know more about keeping the country stabilized economically, and every other way, than do "The Others". With a few exceptions, Democrats are like children who want what they want, and could care less about what is in the best interest of the country or what anyone else wants, as proved by their recent and past immature behavior. A sugar daddy holds out candy to them, and they are eager to accept it, not even checking to find out if it's tainted, and by the time they become aware of their mistake, the damage is done. The choice is simple---either vote for wisdom and sanity, or vote for "The Others" and suffer the consequences right along with them.

Have you noticed how a lot of the trolls have started hiding their comments?

What's the matter? Are you chicken?

No "GUTS"?

um, no, I haven't...

greg-709692
How do you "Hide" a comment?

Well what you do greg is you have a network of people in place, that every time you see a "right-winger" expose a lie...you simply private message others to mark the truth as "No value" and then it collapses.

greg-709692

Soooo that's how they "Community Collapse" articles they "Can't Handle the Truth" on!

Given their tiny, rigid minds, clicking a button is far easier to accomplish than actually thinking and debating. It can backfire though. If I see a comment from an NV friend collapsed I'll usually take the time to open and read it.

Well, jwc, the majority just kicked a bunch of left wing loons out of office. So I suppose your right majority rules.

By the way we are not a mob rule democracy, we are a republic. Seems the mob rule is showing it's teeth in Wisconsin. Why would the people of that state have kick out the dems there? Must be a reason.

And as far as dems turning tail and running, that's just chicken s***. That's like knowing your not going to win a game, taking your ball and going home to sulk. They were voted into office to do a job.

That is the exact point the Republicans filibustered and drug their feet for 2 years but now they are in a hurry to screw the poor and the elderly in America.

We are talking Wisconsin....not the poor and elderly! We are talking about grown men and women hiding out! I would expect a little child to hide from Mommy when he is told it's time for bed, but not elected officials. And, I would expect students to skip school, but not teachers. The student would probably be put on probation...what about the teacher?

If we are talking about Wisconsin then we are talking about the poor and the elderly.

How is that when the subject pertains to the Teachers Union protest and Wisconsin Lawmakers fleeing the scene?

magnoliaave,

"Lawmakers fleeing the scene?"

It is a tactic.

Why can't you say what really is bugging you. The bill can't be passed because the Dems won't allow a quorum.

If this were a battle this tactic would be seen as a demonstration of guerilla warfare.

If the Republicans were willing to compromise instead of trying to jam this union busting bill through without regard to their constituents, such tactics would not be necessary.

Apparently, the governor is not willing to compromise because he has Koch on his mind :D

Damn I love that name.

Lawmakers fleeing the scene as in State Legislators! Hiding out! Stealing into the night to go home for another set of clothes to wear! Is that explicit enough?

Yes, I understood you the first time, lol.

I realize it is difficult when someone challenges your version of events. Keep practicing you're bound to get it. I'll help you. ;)

Just remember magnolia that it is a tactic only as long as certain parties are using it.

tesla013,

Really? Is there a different word for it when the 'other' side uses it?

Oooo! Oooo! Is it perflapsity?

Fed Up,so, you are saying the state of Wisconsin is made up of only elderly and poor people? I'm sure the citizens of Wisconsin appreciates your evaluation of them.

greg

Me to!

greg,

Of course this is not about budget cuts, this is about union busting as Scott Walker himself admitted to a liberal reporter posing as his benefactor Koch.

As I understand it, It wasn't stopping collective bargaining for the union members pay, it was to control the collective bargaining for Health Care and Pensions.

That's true about part of it.

It also completely removes union options from the University of Wisconsin system, and a few hospital/clinic groups.

Greg,

Unfortunately, that is not what the Governor has been claiming. He has been saying the collective bargaining stuff is driven by budgetary concerns, not union busting.

Greg,

Nice to meet you. FR sent.

Greg,

Read my posts, lol. I'm a provocateur. You be Darth Vader and I'll be Jabba the Hut. ;)

lol some of my best 'evil' work.

This is part of the insidious notion that perception drives reality. We all know this isn't true. If it were Politicians could fly and walk on water. You can't really argue successfully with fact, so you change the perception of fact. Of course if you fall off a building all the perception of gravitiy as an unimportant force do not change the diameter of the splat you make when you hit the pavement.

truth will always out .....ditto Science Guy

Science Guy,

But it would make things so much easier if the Dems would all just line up to be voted down. LOL

The the big Kochs could take over and ejaculate at will.

Actually it is called the party of NO SHOW but nothing unusual about the dems being missing

The same thing? No party has the higher moral ground, and the fact that the two can't cooperate is indicative of the insideousness of their plight. They'd rather get "their" way instead of come to a compromise.

what would you call Democrats fleeing the State to avoid "The Debate" and a vote, courageous?

well, we certainly know how you'd spin it, huh? It's essentially the same thing, but you'd call one cowardly and one courageous purely based on political ideology.

You "really" don't, but that's OK!

no,

we really do.

unless you were just jerking everyone's chain with all that stuff you wrote about Republicans being brave by stopping debate with the filibuster and Democrats being cowards by stopping debate by leaving the state because filibuster isn't an option (although you don't seem to have researched it that in-depth) at the top of the page.

no,

I read that part.

that's the part where you spin what is essentially the same thing (forcing debate stoppage by exploiting a rule) to mean one thing in one instance and another thing in another, favoring republicans, of course.

that's the part where you misrepresent what the representatives did to make it sound like they went "hiking the appalachian trail" rather than engaging in a drastic procedural maneuver, which you think is gutsy when republicans do it.

-oh, and putting things in quotes doesn't make them more true or serve to emphasize them more, it just means so-called; indicating that you don't think you're really you or that really really means really and waste really means waste. See my above euphemism in quotes for example of proper use.

The far right just doesn't want to admit what everyone already knows to be the real reason why Walker did what he did(and it never had anything to do with "fiscial responsibility") and call the legislators who walked out "cowards", even though two republican governors are on record of calling the tatic legitimate...

You know what's funny. When Dems are in control they just cram stuff through, post bills in the middle of the night, or worse, write bills behind closed doors and then the next morning telling them to "sign it"...then when the Dems lose control suddenly they want this:

They'd rather get "their" way instead of come to a compromise.

Geeze, suddenly the Dems want to compromise...funny, isn't it?

What I find gutsy, is the republicans stood their ground

A filibuster isn't 'standing your ground' - it is a stalling tactic.

Filibuster = Quorum-busting.

What I find gutsy, is the republicans

you really should've just stopped there. It's really clear that's what you actually mean.

you honestly think that if the republicans in the US congress had this maneuver available to them they woudln't have used it? Don't be silly. They did, it's called the filibuster. They stood their ground because they didn't have to leave DC to stop debate.

There's absolutely no doubt in my mind, given your complete unwillingness to step outside your partisan position that if Republicans did just this thing in Wisconsin next year, you'd find a reason to call them gutsy for it.

Where has the Democratic fight gone?

yes, cause clearly the Dems have acquiesced to every demand of the Republicans, right?

wait, wasn't it the very republicans you're lauding as courageous that refused to even go along with policies they themselves had advocated less than a generation ago with respect to healthcare reform?

I dunno, believing in something one year, then believing in something else the next just because you don't like someone else who believes it, seems a bit... something... squishy? chickensh*t? I don't know, you fancy yourself an expert in who is cowardly, what do you think?

You know what's funny. When Dems are in control they just cram stuff through, post bills in the middle of the night, or worse, write bills behind closed doors and then the next morning telling them to "sign it"...

know what else is funny?

that you didn't bother to find out that Republicans do the same.

Really? I am sure you will be happy to source that, right, greck?

I am sure you will be happy to source that, right, greck?

more than happy:

http://partners.nytimes.com/library/politics/111898leader-delay.html

Late at night, DeLay transforms his suite of offices into grazing central, laden with buckets of fried chicken or platters of barbecue beef to keep torch-burning members happy and comfortable. And he makes it a point to keep tabs on members' pet projects and their districts, stepping in at opportune times to push their ventures along.

really,greck?

I didn't see that they did this

post bills in the middle of the night, or worse, write bills behind closed doors and then the next morning telling them to "sign it"..

in the article you linked. Obviously, the NYT doesn't like Delay, which is obvious from the slant, but seriously, it said no such thing, even though you had to go back to 1998 to find this.

fair enough vol fan,

the one I couldn't think of and kind of punted to was the medicare prescription drug plan (the one where the government can't bargain with the drug companies for a better price) that was voted on at 3:00 am when Denny Hastert kept the house open till he got the votes wrestled his way

the point really is: to think that the way government runs changed a whole lot when dems took control of both houses is a bit silly.

they just cram stuff through

I love it. The over used and over abused talking point from the Health care reform period. It was quite noticeable that the only thing being 'crammed through' or 'stuffed down people's throats were the talking points "crammed through" and "stuffed down people's throats'. In every right wing post, Faux News newscast and shows came those talking points. It was rather amazing. And yes.. people please watch out for that 'crammed down your throat' saying. Invariably and infinitesimally the right will cram that saying right down your throat at the slightest provocation.

On the subject of the Health Care Reform Act: The indivdual mandate was a Republican contribution! It was drafted by an insurance company representative and sponsored by the US Chamber of Commerce! Now the Republicans are carping about the Supreme Court decisions against it. They must be soooo proud! And it shows in all the things they don't do for the working class.

fair enough vol fan,

that's what I like about you, greck:)

greck, per post #19.14, Obviously, you haven't bothered to find out that "Republicans do the same thing", either, since you did not post a link to that effect, or site an example, so could you do so now? Thanks in advance.

star3

here ya go:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_Prescription_Drug,_Improvement,_and_Modernization_Act

I actually started to link it, but it was doing some weird formatting thing, so I decided not to since it was such a well known and high profile bill, but anyway:

The bill was debated and negotiated for nearly six months in Congress, and finally passed amid unusual circumstances. Several times in the legislative process the bill had appeared to have failed, but each time was saved when a couple of Congressmen and Senators switched positions on the bill.

The bill was introduced in the House of Representatives early on June 25, 2003 as H.R. 1, sponsored by Speaker Dennis Hastert. All that day and the next the bill was debated, and it was apparent that the bill would be very divisive. In the early morning of June 27, a floor vote was taken. After the initial electronic vote, the count stood at 214 yeas, 218 nays.

Three Republican representatives then changed their votes. One opponent of the bill, Ernest J. Istook, Jr. (R-OK-5), changed his vote to "present" upon being told that C.W. Bill Young (R-FL-10), who was absent due to a death in the family, would have voted "aye" if he had been present. Next, Republicans Butch Otter (ID-1) and Jo Ann Emerson (MO-8) switched their vote to "aye" under pressure from the party leadership. The bill passed by one vote, 216-215.

On June 26, the Senate passed its version of the bill, 76-21. The bills were unified in conference, and on November 21, the bill came back to the House for approval.

The bill came to a vote at 3 a.m. on November 22. After 45 minutes, the bill was losing, 219-215, with David Wu (D-OR-1) not voting. Speaker Dennis Hastert and Majority Leader Tom DeLay sought to convince some of dissenting Republicans to switch their votes, as they had in June. Istook, who had always been a wavering vote, consented quickly, producing a 218-216 tally. In a highly unusual move, the House leadership held the vote open for hours as they sought two more votes. Then-Representative Nick Smith (R-MI) claimed he was offered campaign funds for his son, who was running to replace him, in return for a change in his vote from "nay" to "yea." After controversy ensued, Smith clarified no explicit offer of campaign funds was made, but that that he was offered "substantial and aggressive campaign support" which he had assumed included financial support.^[14]

About 5:50 a.m., convinced Otter and Trent Franks (AZ-2) to switch their votes. With passage assured, Wu voted yea as well, and Democrats Calvin M. Dooley (CA-20), Jim Marshall (GA-3) and David Scott (GA-13) changed their votes to the affirmative. But Brad Miller (D-NC-13), and then, Republican John Culberson (TX-7), reversed their votes from "yea" to "nay". The bill passed 220-215.^[15]

Dennis P McCann

Acting as obstructionists and stopping all progress is not "having guts." It's spineless and counterproductive.

The stimulus wasn't progress. It was a desperate and burdensome abuse of federal authority.

OK, greck, just noticed your link in post # 19.16, and checked it, however it says nothing in the article about any republicans running away from their duties, or hiding out to keep from doing their duty, which was the subject. All it spoke about was Delay, so how does this relate in any way?

star3:

did you bother to check what it was supposed to address? It was in response to VolFan's assertion that (post #9.10):

You know what's funny. When Dems are in control they just cram stuff through, post bills in the middle of the night, or worse, write bills behind closed doors and then the next morning telling them to "sign it"...

which was definitely within DeLay's toolbelt, but I agreed that that article didn't really make my point, and then pointed to the Medicare drug plan bill passage as a better example of the fact that politics didn't change when the Dems were in charge.

you all caught up now?

I think so, greck, lol; politics as usual. They make promises, which we buy, so vote them in, then they break the promises, which we hate, but are stuck until we go through the same procedure 4-8 years later. Sure, I got that a long time ago.

USA is not for him

And you people need to realize that a lot of Americans are getting sick of you and him.

Republicans ran out of honor as soon as they accepted money for honor.

They've been selling out Americans for just as long.

Your defense of them, believing they care for you or America, is evidence of a serious lack of intelligence, judgement, and character.

It is WE THE PEOPLE, not, we the corporations....

Your avatar, an alternate reality no doubt...

Instrestingly, what people like USA4HIM aren't saying is that even a couple of republican governors are saying that the tatic is legitimate...

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/02/23/gop-govs-daniels-and-kasich-defend-dem-lawmakers-walkout-as-perfectly-legitimate

When they do, it will be finalized!

Yes, it probably will, let the final destruction of working middle class Americans commence.

This destruction will be wrapped in a Flag, that was made in the third world, produced by a large multi national corporation owned by the Koch brothers, sold and marketed to us with words chosen by Frank Luntz, fake words repeated as real by Fox News, then parroted by the very middle class who are now unemployed as they blame the people who made a stand for the rights they lost to the GOP/corporate machine.

Can you say circular firing squad?

This is another example of Walker's dishonesty...

http://politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/feb/22/scott-walker/wisconsin-gov-scott-walker-says-he-campaigned-his-/

It's also instresting to compare what Walker said in that phone call to this finding by Politifact(especially the postcript)...

Hi Greg, It's freezing again here with snow- ICK!

You wrote,

We're the bank for both the "Rich" and the "Poor".

The middle class is a large mostly tapped source of income for the rich - PERIOD.

Also, another story about Walker's comments that should be read...

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/02/wisconsin_police_chief_trouble.html

conveniently left out....

Hey Greg, I need one of those beers!

I do believe this could be closer to the full statement.

"I would like to hear more of an explanation from Governor Walker as to what exactly was being considered, and to what degree it was discussed by his cabinet members. I find it very unsettling and troubling that anyone would consider creating safety risks for our citizens and law enforcement officers," the chief said.

"Our department works hard dialoging with those who are exercising their First Amendment right, those from both sides of the issue, to make sure we are doing everything we can to ensure they can demonstrate safely. I am concerned that anyone would try to undermine these relationships. I have a responsibility to the community, and to the men and women of this department - who are working long hours protecting and serving this community – to find out more about what was being considered by state leaders."

The Madison Police Department released a separate statement: "The men and the women of the Madison Police Department train for crowd situations where an agitator or provocateur may try to create safety risks for citizens and officers. During the demonstration around the Capitol Square no such situation has arisen. Crowd behavior has been exemplary, and thousands of Wisconsin citizens are to be commended for the peaceful ways in which they have expressed First Amendment rights."

And yeah, it's the rich that are tanking us, with help from idiot politicians like Walker in WI or GW in DC and idiots these politicians put in charge like Greenspan. Who said this in 2005...

"Innovation has brought about a multitude of new products, such as subprime loans and niche credit programs for immigrants. . . . With these advances in technology, lenders have taken advantage of credit-scoring models and other techniques for efficiently extending credit to a broader spectrum of consumers. . . . Where once more-marginal applicants would simply have been denied credit, lenders are now able to quite efficiently judge the risk posed by individual applicants and to price that risk appropriately. These improvements have led to rapid growth in subprime mortgage lending . . . fostering constructive innovation that is both responsive to market demand and beneficial to consumers."

They always seem to leave out "but decided against it".

Well, Holy IDIOT, Batman! This clown Walker is the Governor of the State! His first concern should be for the welfare of it's citizens. Planting trouble makers in a crowd of people is about as smart as putting a fire out with a can of gasoline! He considered that option and thought better, well good for him. He has proved that he is at least as smart as a Kindergartner!

Again from the chief of police....

I find it very unsettling and troubling that anyone would consider creating safety risks for our citizens and law enforcement officers," the chief said.

Beck's is fine and dandy!

I think what KitKat's saying is that Sarah Palin abdicated her responsiblity as governor rather than doing her job. In essence, taking the representative leaving thing to the next level.

Actually for the both of you. Palin resigned she relinquished any power she had she had no power to abdicate. Are these people who left town resigning?

Palin and Bush...the only arguments the Dems have left...hey, guys, you forgot Cheney...isn't there something you want to say about him besides he's a poor shot?

(Actually, I find it despicable that individuals in both parties do this when they run for other offices - like McCain and Obama both did this last election, and John Kerry the one before.)

I could say a whole lot about Cheney. But what is the point, really?

That is precisely my point JustinPM. What's good for the goose is not good for the gander anymore I guess. The smoldering train wreck that is Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann and Sharon Angle and Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh and etc etc... makes just about everything coming the right invalid as far as I am concerned. Clean up your own house.

Wow...got to 11 comments before someone brought Palin's name up...that must be a record!

Actually, Palin resigned her position because the left wing hate media hounded her so bad that she wasn't allowed to perform her job, and she left it in the hands of someone else who could. Did these Dems hand over their job to someone else to do while they ran away? Also note that when Palin was driven out of office the hateful left wing mocked and ridiculed her for leaving her post. I don't see any of that for the run away Dems. The double standard prevails! Is anyone surprised?

LMAO/OTI merleliz!!!!!

Palin driven out of office? That's a good one. But merleliz is right, I shouldn't have brought her up here. Didn't mean to derail greg's thread. PS - Just for the record greg, Palin WAS voted in... by the people of Alaska.

Hell anymore it ain't even a story without a mention of the Palinater.

LMFAO Refuseto get it!!!!!

Keep the comedy coming... love it!

Indeed, claiming that you think with your digestive apparatus seems to be, well questionable. Kind of reminds me of John Pope's various telegrams that were signed "Headquarters in the Saddle." After Stonewall Jackson handed him his ass, the comment was that the problem with Pope was that his headquarters was where is hindquarters was supposed to be.

Sometimes to run as you call it is the wisest and bravest thing a person can do.

Only a friggin spineless wuz runs from a fight. If a person has any decent honor, he will stay and fight for that alone, even though he may lose. Geez...what weird thinking!

Yeah, and I am a lady; but dang, I can claw, swing, hit, kick, and shoot if I have to!! I feel sorry for somebody who thinks the "bravest thing" they can do is run like a little 5 year old looking to hid behind mamma. We have become a nation of pansies...

greg709692

In the military running is called a strategic retreat or a tactical withdrawal.

I think they developed that tactic after the Little Big Horn

More like after Hannibal handed the Romans their asses at Cannae.

vol,

"Only a friggin spineless wuz runs from a fight."

LOL spoken like someone that has never had to root hog or die. Are you a guy? Cause that philosophy of standing there getting your ass kicked is a quick route to the hospital.

In warfare strike and evade is called guerilla warfare. In politics it is what you do when the other side lies about it's purpose.

If this were the other way round I seriously doubt you'd be complaining.

Greg,

Walker clearly indicated in his conversation with 'Koch' that he would only pretend to negotiate. He would 'talk' but not negotiate. Walker was refusing to truly work with the Democrats, planned to lie to them and then then pull something behind their backs. I don't think it is the Democrats that have low integrity, honor or courage. I think Walker wins hands down in the coward and low character category. Walker's behavior was despicable and he showed his true colors. He needs to resign or be recalled in a year. Many Republicans that I knew have left the Republican party for one simple reason: it is no longer the Republican Party. It is the Corporate Fascist Party. The true Republicans have honor and integrity. They have solid character. They espouse solid ideals based on reality and work for compromise. They need to just rename the Republican Party as the CF Party and the real Republicans need to regroup and reform the Republican Party. All corrupt and bought saps like Walker belong to the CF Party. They don't have the merit or guts to be of the Republican Party.

Are you a guy?

No, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night! Flame...read my post, geez.

Cause that philosophy of standing there getting your ass kicked is a quick route to the hospital.

Well, I would have said it's okay to retreat to reload but I knew all the libbies would just go CRAZY with that analogy, given their enamoration with Sarah Palin.

Violent rhetoric from both sides is pretty silly in my view. It simply goads people to ever greater resistance to compromise. It is one of the main reasons we have such a hard time fixing the problems that confront us.

Kind of stupid, but that is how our politicians are.

"I mean he ran out on his service obligations during the Vietnam Lie."

That was Clinton wasnt it.

"The people that need to be running, are the ones that run out on their honor, character,"

Kind of like what Sen Kennedy did, Rangel, Giethner, Daschle, Pelosi and many many more

Rick 673281

Dont forget George Bush and Dick "The Draft Dodger"Cheney

yes, just like them, part of point isn't it? when you point there are 3 fingers pointing back at you

we are led by corporate interests not national interests

Obama didn't even sign up for the Selective Service until September 2008. . . . . .I still wonder how he got away with that all these years.

Refuse, and thats just one of the numerous questions people are asking about things he got away with.

Ah yes, I see your point. Having said that, I'll follow the 'brains' as long as the thought process is NOT deemed to be defective. When in doubt, sometimes it pays to stay out of the way until the 'smoke' clears. OR at least until the 'mirrors' shatter.

joanna,

agreed. why isn't there an outcry about the activities of the wealth care union? governor walker complains of a deficit after giving tax cuts to the corporations. of course, the public employees unions could not match the donations of the wealth care union headed by the koch bros. i think it is rather odd that governor walker would not talk to democratic legislators or labor union members, but would gladly accept a call from a man masquerading as a big donor to his campaign. another oddity is that koch is not a citizen of wisconsin. guess that citizen united thing is working very well for the gop.

And they vote in large numbers, when their rights are threatened!

"Public workers and teachers are not the enemy - they are our neighbors!"

The states are tired of holding out union dues on their employees let the unions fat cats collect the dues if they can. If the state didnt take it out of their paychecks the unions would collect over 30 percent less then they do now. Not all union workers want to pay the fat asses.

Greg, collective bargaining is a right in this country. Union reps are voted in by members - that's their voice and Walker, stubborn and arrogant, isn't willing to discuss it. Walker's not God, he's not king - he's a one term governor (unless the recall gets him first).

Baddestbob, agree!

Greg, they're willing to give on contributions to benefits. What is wrong with collective bargaining? How can anyone be against it? Forget the giveaways of years past. These are different times. I've been screaming about unions for years. As a NJ homeowner, 70+% of my real estate taxes fund these benefit programs for public workers - and my r.e. taxes are $8,000 a year on my very little house! So I get and support reform. I don't get Walker not talking to reps and trying to push through his agenda to limit collective bargaining to wages only....why doesn't that concern you?

It's the Pension and Health Care part I have a bit of a problem with. That should be set, just like ours is.

I've always been against giveaways to unions. However, in WI, the pubic workers' unions have sent their message to Walker that they'll agree on contributions to benefits. Collective bargaining is about more than wages and benefits. And why not mention the police and firefighters' unions in all of this? What's their "give" to the state and why is that group untouchable? I'd love to see a recall!

greg said:

It's the Pension and Health Care part I have a bit of a problem with. That should be set, just like ours is.

So greg, it's all about envy then?

It's my money and "I" need it now!

LOL! I despise that commercial....it's sounds like the De....,aw never mind.

Coming soon to an IRS office a theater near you:

Barack Hussein Obama stars in a Timothy Geithner film, There Will Be Taxes.

LOL, Ricklace, great analogy.

When that happens the US will flush itself right out of the world market.

That is a goal worth fighting for. Unionize everyone. Force everyone to join- whether they agree with it or not. The true Democratic way.

Maybe we can roll everything back to the 60's and 70's and get protectionism back into full swing. Forget cost, quality, or efficiency in the "free market"- we can have Stagflation again (not that we don't have it now according to some). And "Made in America" can go back to being a joke.

"free market", for you and me. NOT for cronies like David & Charles Koch. They need 'jail' instead. They are not the whole problem, however they are most of the problem.

Don't worry Koch, and the ones that can afford it will find somewhere else in the world to live- and take their money with them. They might leave satellite companies in the US- if it is cost effective for them. The parent companies- the ones that pay taxes- will be gone.

Meanwhile, the fat, bloated, work force will go back to doing a half assed job- knowing that their pay, perks, and jobs are safe no matter how bad of a job they do. (Remember the culture shock the Big 3 automakers received once the trade barriers were lowered? They thought they would rule the world. Too bad they made over priced pieces of garbage. No more protection meant the American public had a choice of vehicles to buy. It took years before American autos were competitive again.) We definitely need things to go back to those days or protectionism.

Forget innovation and modernization- who needs those when you can collect high pay for being average or below average?

Take their money with them? What if their 'money' was made worthless? OR their assets seized? It can be done, don't cha know? (FYI: Those assets could make a real dent in the national debt). Profits from the conglomerate could take the place of taxes. Folks who work for them need not worry about losing their job, heck, they might even get a raise!!!

Force everyone to join- whether they agree with it or not. The true Democratic way.

Make @!$%# up to try to scare people. The true Republican way.

Assests just can't be seized- unless you want to act like Nazi Germany when it nationalized all of the businesses, corportations, and individual assests? Or maybe you would prefer the Communists of Russia or China?

It takes time to change laws- less time than it would take for those with means to simply leave and divest out of America fully.

AdipicAcid

I was replying to Tom-VermillionOhio post at 21. Read it real closely, especially the part about the part of "...unionizing everyone..." and follow it from there.

Uh, wow, Tom....

Hmmm...maybe now that Walker's on his way of getting tossed out of office, maybe the Unions should consider unionizing everyone and while they are at it, they should go to work making sure everyone is registered properly so that they can vote. Special attention needs to be given to the estimated 76 million citizens who are 'under-employed' and struggling.

Ummm...this was sarcam, right? If not...it's a perfect reason to never, ever, ever vote for a Liberal.

I was replying to Tom-VermillionOhio post at 21. Read it real closely, especially the part about the part of "...unionizing everyone..." and follow it from there.

And because one person said it, it is representative of all Democrats? Sorry, you are still making @!$%# up to try to scare people.

Hyperbole and sarcasm are lost on some people.

Where did I ever state all Democrats? I said the "Democratic way" in 21.1 (As in Democracy?). Here is the definition I took from the web:

democratic [ˌdɛməˈkrætɪk]
adj
1. (Philosophy) (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) of, characterized by, derived from, or relating to the principles of democracy

I am sorry, I just could get the Democracy way to sound right to me.

The all inclusive "we" I used in post 21.1 meant just Tom and myself- as I was replying to his post. I guess the "you" I used in 21.3 could have been plural or all inclusive; but not given that I was replying to 1 person.

How about I agree to never use pronouns again- and I will stop associating Democratic with Democracy? Will that work?

"Unions should consider Unionizing everyone". Now there's a Fascist statement if I ever heard one. And maybe the unions will get all the youth to volunteer and put them all into boot camps, and unite them all to do community work for the President. Ooops, too late! Organizing for American is already starting a summer youth camp already. Guess the unions can't do that. Oh well, I bet they'ed like to make all the uniforms. What color shall they be? Brown? Hint; anyone from OFA comes to my door with their tax paid literature is going to get booted to the curb!

Really?

If Walker didn't know who they were, then why would he accept a call from someone purporting to be David Koch?

He obviously thought he should take the call from David Koch, and proven is the fact that they are not the blood brothers that would convenience some.

Bootstraps,

The Koch's gave something like a million to the Governors Association which then in turn sponsored ads in the WI governor's race. If I remember correctly, something over 3 million was spent in that ad campaign resulting in a 5 point win for Scott Walker.

In addition, Scott Walker had been refusing to talk with Democrats regarding the uproar in his state. The liberal reporter thought, "I bet he'd talk with Koch." Which he did, sort of.

He has shown himself unwilling to talk with Democratic Legislators in the pursuit of his constitutional responsibilities, but willing to talk with corporate money to ensure his further disregard for his constituents.

I hear talk some were caught whooping it up as on vacation, trump card ready.

Maybe they won't come back until after the recall petitions have been signed and the GOP/TP senators know their careers are over. Hmmmm

T Bourlon,

I disagree, I saw a news story that the Republican's nationally are backing off their union busting stance.

They are being heard, and loudly.

Sure you can didn't the Republicans just do that in the United States Senate and the House for the last couple of years?